A Little Insight Into Palestine and Israel
Liz Michael: The problem with "facts vs. mythology" is that it is often hard to distinguish between the two, and also bring up the difference between "mythology as in something probably true on some level but not totally provable" and "mythology is total bullshit". I mean, talk to any fundamentalist Christian and you will clear hear them assert all manner of thing as "fact" even when it is impossible for it to be true. Oddly enough the Jews, who have been oft maligned in this thread, tend to have a more logical approach than the Christians do to these same writings.November 10 at 1:03pm · Unlike · 1
Liz Michael: And the clear "fact vs. mythology" problem that some of y'all have is the term Zionist. Y'all have taken this word from us, given it a different definition than we have for that word, failed to make the distinction, and then use the word as if all Jews are guilty of a handful of things that really only handful of schmucks are. (By the way, you can call them schmucks, it would be more accurate than calling them Zionists.)November 10 at 1:07pm · Like · 1
But I got a wake-up call when I ran for Senate 3 in Nevada, and, taking a consistent Libertarian position, endorsed a complete cessation of all taxpayer financed foreign aid. The ADL branded me anti-Semitic because, when asked, I said that included aid to Israel.
Since, I've recognized the slick PR etc. instieated by AIPAC, etc. and what the Israelis have been doing to the so-called "Palestinians." There's some ego involved I'm sure -- I don't like being made a fool of. If I'm not careful, I find myself emotionally very close to becoming a classic anti-Semite. Jacque -- and Steve Lewis, have pulled me back from the edge several times.
Dr. Norman Finkelstein -- impeccable dude if you like unemotional facts -- is my favorite current source. This is worth a look. It's telling that he's been under attack ever since he came forward. I keep losing one of his best brief interviews because SOMEBODY keeps getting it taken off youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLB8DfhnJD0 CrossTalk: Norman Finkelstein vs. Israel On Peter Lavelle's CrossTalk, Israel critic Norman Finkelstein faces off against a formidable spokesperson of Israel's 'soft power'. November 10 at 1:23pm · Like · 2 · Remove Preview
Liz Michael: Well, the ADL isn't exactly best friends with me and I AM Jewish. I personally think the ADL is essentially just using a racial cover to promote socialism, much like the NAACP has also become. If the ADL REALLY cared about the Jewish people, they would never support gun control. My view of AIPAC is that they don't have to do very much to encourage support of Israel, as most of the Congress is Zionist, and probably a majority of America supports Israel. (I actually do have a small history being on the receiving end of ADL stuff so I know of where you speak.)November 10 at 1:32pm · Unlike · 1
Liz Michael: Well, I am fully aware that the Jews do things to the Palestinians and the Palestinians do things to Jews. I wouldn't really take a side except for the fact that the Muslims have already chosen my side for me. As a Jew, a Zionist, a Lesbian, and a Woman, which side would accept me and which side would kill me is already written in stone, and I cannot unwrite it even if I wanted to. It is a shame because I could be a very good peacemaker between the two but the Muslims do not want peace.November 10 at 1:35pm · Unlike · 1
Jacque Sheete: Many, many fine Jewish folk know the score. The rich sadistic violent Zionists are a tiny minority and they're making real Jews look bad. Unfortunately many innocent Jews believe the propaganda as do most of the Christian goyim.November 10 at 1:40pm · Unlike · 2
Jacque Sheete: A fine and informative review of an excellent book, by a credible source, which I found worthwhile.A Thoughtful Look At Zionism's Often Overlooked Dark Side
Allan C. Brownfeld, THE DARK SIDE OF ZIONISM by Baylis Thomas Lexington Books, 265 Pages
http://www.acjna.org/acjna/articles_detail.aspx?id=558 Article Details www.acjna.org The American Council for Judaism ACJ has long offered a distinctive alternative vision of identity and commitment for the American Jewish community, by affirming these principles: Judaism is a universal religious faith, we are committed to the principles of classical reform judaism, we embrace the d... November 10 at 1:41pm · Unlike · 1 · Remove Preview
L Reichard White:::::::: A related discussion at link below. Mostly rehash & irrelevant except for Barbara Whetstine Nutt's comments,
https://www.facebook.com/.../posts/10202261641842785 November 10 at 2:40pm · Like · 1
L Reichard White:::::::: This is seriously relevant - - -
http://www.jpost.com/... Putin: Israel's nuclear weapons just make it a target www.jpost.com Russian president: Syria's WMDs a counter to Israel's alleged nukes, which create November 10 at 3:35pm · Like · 1 · Remove Preview
Liz Michael: *Is it OK for ANYONE to steal their land and houses?* - Look, if any Arabs can demonstrate that they owned specific land that was specifically stolen, I'm all for they being allowed to return to that specific land, or their heirs if they are dead. That I'm all for. However if someone is saying that whole of Israel was "stolen", that's bullshit.November 10 at 4:15pm · Like
Jacque Sheete: Now ain't this clever?"...if any Arabs can demonstrate that they owned specific land that was specifically stolen..."
This strawman argument is not clever at all.
"...if someone is saying that whole of Israel was "stolen", that's bullshit."
Duh. November 10 at 5:05pm · Like
L Reichard White:::::::: Well, here's a bit cleaned up example of EXACTLY what happened -- and happens - - -
The House Key, Barbara Whetstine Nutt